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    Re: If You Aren't Making Money as a Local SEO Consultant You Aren't Alone

    Yes...lol. I was waiting That is the million dollar question - to niche or not to niche. I know you're a huge proponent of going into a specific niche (i.e. dentists or whatever) but I've talked to other pros in the business and they say it isn't necessary. However, I am leaning towards picking a niche mainly because it will keep me focused - which I need! The challenge will be to pick a niche that is right for me. I'll keep you posted...

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    My Suggestion: Pick a niche and build your rep.

    You knew at some point I'd say that right?
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    Re: If You Aren't Making Money as a Local SEO Consultant You Aren't Alone

    Thanks Travis for a terrific thread and especially for your honesty. That virtue of yours also shines through in other posts I see from you so I'm quite sure your clients pick it up. Thanks also to Linda, Miriam, and Marie for chiming in.

    As a longtime local business owner I can tell you that all of us struggle with issues of doubt and uncertainty leading to constant reevaluation and second guessing. I don't mind telling you and all here I'm in sort of the same boat. I'll also tell you though that I've been here before, many times.

    I'm going to give away my age so don't see me as some geezer or I'll whip your a$$ in tennis, golf or water skiing. Since 1971 I've built 5 different businesses and had to reinvent the wheel many times while my competitors were either too lazy or just gave up.
    So I don't end up writing a novel here I'll just tell you and everyone else 2 things I learned. By the way, after I got over self-doubt in my first business I went on to worldwide success but that product actually ended up becoming obsolete because of some new thing called the internet. Anyway

    Never, ever get in a race to the bottom
    Hard work coupled with knowledge really does pay off

    I was going to end right there but since there is a real problem inherent in what we do related to lead generation I'd be interested in exploring this topic further. The problem is actually ironic since we know how to generate traffic online from people in a target market. The mother lode of people that need us though just either don't know it or aren't looking.

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    Chris:

    Thanks for your kind words. I find your story inspiring. You had me on the edge of my seat wanting to learn more about your "failures" and successes. And you didn't say, but are you a local SEO consultant today?

    As for lead generation for local SEO consultants, the way I see it is you have two routes to prospect - offline and online. Offline would include the usual stuff - direct mail, door knocking, cold calling, local networking meetings, etc. Online is everything else - mass or targeted email marketing, forum marketing, PPC, and of course SEO.

    I have chosen the latter simply because that is what I know and am comfortable with. Sadly, I think it's actually the least productive based on conversations I've had with other successful Internet Marketing consultants. The businesses that need the most help online likely aren't online so you have to find them offline. I know if I just concentrated my efforts on any offline method my business would explode. The question then is, why am I not doing it? Easy - fear. Again, it's something I don't know and it's something I'm not comfortable with so I don't do it.

    I'm still confident that my business could explode if I did a better job prospecting online. I have no systems in place and no game plan so nothing is clicking right now. Once I figure it out, I think business will be great!

    As Steve told me in our conversation, the one thing he learned as a highly successful real estate agent "back in the day" was that whatever he concentrated on was what brought in the money. This is his Yoga-like way of saying that whatever you focus on will work. You just need to pick something and work it. So if you're going to be a cold-calling master, then that's what you focus on 100%. You hone your craft and master it. If you're going to get prospects doing PPC or SEO or whatever, that's what you do - 100%. I need to find that "something" in 2013 and stick with it.

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    [WRAP]The question then is, why am I not doing it? Easy - fear. Again, it's something I don't know and it's something I'm not comfortable with so I don't do it.[/WRAP]

    First, get off the edge of your seat, I am an SEO consultant because as far as marketing goes that is what local businesses need the most. A story for another day is that I'm always looking for a bigger picture because small business owners need alot of help in many areas. Not to beat a dead horse but I know this because most of my family members and friends are business owners too.

    Your friend is right but if cold calling is not your thing you either have to find a way to make it so or find another way. I do some cold calling but only after developing a unique game plan for the niche. An example

    Accountants never had to do marketing and in fact most were so lucky that they had to turn away clients. A huge irony now is that they constantly see the difference marketing can make in the bottom line of their clients but they're afraid to embrace the concept. Right now, even with the fiscal cliff looming, accountants are closing shop rather than fight the fight. there are tons of "under construction websites" hurting these guys more than helping. Add in the boilerplates and other useless attempts and you have a pretty good market to attack.

    I learned more about accountant marketing in a week or so than most accountants will ever know. It's the twenty-teens for crying out loud so if the guy wants to stay and fight he better get with the program. If not every town has 10-20 accountants - 1 of whom wants to win. Cold-calling is much easier with ammunition.

    The bonus for you and me is that Tax Preparation is somewhat long tail and Tax Advice is definitely. Lots of other terms to widen your geography.

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    Re: If You Aren't Making Money as a Local SEO Consultant You Aren't Alone

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Van Slooten View Post
    Chris:

    Thanks for your kind words. I find your story inspiring. You had me on the edge of my seat wanting to learn more about your "failures" and successes.
    I got stuck in over-time training again and am late again so can't comment too much right now but you guys are going to LOVE the topic I have to share next week. Chris please watch for it because I think you might be the star of the show.

    Course I'll try to come back her and link to it but sometimes get so many threads going I can't remember which one I promised to post what in.
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    Re: If You Aren't Making Money as a Local SEO Consultant You Aren't Alone

    To Niche or not to Niche that is the question!! I am batting it back and forth back and forth......and while if you were to stay in one niche I can see you would save a ton of TIME. When I pick up different niche I have to learn that niche, find keywords, learn the business so to speak and so on...
    So I am leaning towards the niche. But perhaps while I am working on the niche taking other niche's in to keep on working. The next question is if you do pick a niche....which niche?? I have a few ideas....but still batting them around.

    For me personally I find the small businesses are not budgeting properly for their SEO or they don't even KNOW they need SEO. So it is part of a training with the clients...and it pays off because a few months later they come back and say, HEY, we DO need SEO. I have been sort of fortunate because I came in first in the website design business and I had a client base already. I then fell in love with SEO. NOW, to etch out my career. I am interested to see your post , next week Linda!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie Ysais View Post
    For me personally I find the small businesses are not budgeting properly for their SEO or they don't even KNOW they need SEO.
    I think that is the main reason why so many businesses aren't calling us and knocking OUR doors down--they don't know what SEO is, let alone local SEO, nor do they know that they need it. It's tough for many local SEOs to get new business consistently. But when you look at the likes of Linda and Phil and Mike and other big names in the field, if we keep trying and hang in there, it will pay off. There are a lot of great minds on this forum, and I always learn something from your posts, Travis, so I know you know your stuff. Hang in there and keep marketing yourself, on and off line, and eventually you will have more business than you know what to do with. Then you can send the rest of us some. lol --David
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    Re: If You Aren't Making Money as a Local SEO Consultant You Aren't Alone

    Hey Travis, Chris, David and all...

    Here is that thread I promised. Please jump in. After a few start sharing you'll find some of the best answers for what could be holding you back.

    http://localsearchforum.catalystemar...hat-would.html
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    So glad to have found this thread as the discussion hits many of the issues I struggle with everyday.

    Two of the original points that Travis made around pricing and prospecting are really hard to get right. Prospecting is an issue due to time and pricing is an issue due to the fact that most SME's can't actually afford the time it takes to do a good job for them. I'm hopeless at cold calling so focus on local networking groups and social media, all of which is a slow burn. As for pricing, we start low and build as the client starts to see results.

    This is possibly the most frustrating career I've had (was previously in printing then publishing). I absolutely love working with small businesses and I truly believe that a well constructed local SEO campaign can make a huge contribution to their success. The trouble is that many of them either don't realise that they need SEO or have been burned by some less than ethical company that's promised them the world and not delivered.

    We're actually starting to look at running seminars and workshops to help educate folks on why local internet marketing is so important. Those on smaller budgets may then at least have an appreciation of what is required.
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    Really like and agree with all you had to say Nick. Thanks for sharing!

    More and more of the consultants I've trained lately are doing free local SMB seminars. So that may be a really good idea.

    Back when I sold high end Dental technology like big lasers and digital Xray systems I did a lot of seminars because it was easier than hauling the equipment out to do a demo for just one Dentist.

    Sometimes I would end up with 5 sales from one seminar - PLUS instead of one-on-one I could demo 10 Drs. at the same time. (Now keep in mind these were Dentists and this was $10K and up equipment, so getting a 50% closing ratio at a seminar for that high ticket of a sale, was a pretty big deal!)

    So I would def try it. HOT TIP - if you can swing it. IF you have a local client that will speak at the seminar - that could really make it higher impact and boost your closing ratio a LOT!

    When I did my Dental seminars, even though I think I did a really good job, I believe once another Dr stood up and talked about the advantages of the technology and what it did for HIS practice - that really helped others understand and believe it.
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