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    Re: Pigeon Analysis - New Insights about this Crazy Google Local Algo & the Constant

    Sorry Steven, don't know on a Mac.

    On a PC it's Ctl + F5.

    But like I said it does not always do it. And then if I get it to switch a couple times and keep trying Ctl + F5 and regular refresh just trying to see what it will do - then it stop, so maybe it's throttled or something.

    Plus some SERPs I just could not get to switch so again, I assume that's if there is nothing in that particular pack that varies between the 2 algos. OR it's just kinda random.
    OR Google is purposely trying to drive me nuts. Yep, I think that last one is the answer.
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    Re: Pigeon Analysis - New Insights about this Crazy Google Local Algo & the Constant

    Quote Originally Posted by Linda Buquet View Post

    Nikki glad you brought up BrightLocal. I didn't know about them and other major players for sure.
    Yes, this has been throwing off the Bright all month... mostly in the local tools. I'm sure they know... they are pretty Bright guys over there.
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    Re: Pigeon Analysis - New Insights about this Crazy Google Local Algo & the Constant

    Steven -

    Command-R will refresh the browser on a Mac.

    Use Shift-Command-R for a hard refresh, which will get rid of cached content.

    Hope this helps.

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    Re: Pigeon Analysis - New Insights about this Crazy Google Local Algo & the Constant

    Linda you said it best. "Stick to the fundamentals." That is exactly what we are telling clients who are seeing wild swings.
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    Re: Pigeon Analysis - New Insights about this Crazy Google Local Algo & the Constant

    Craziness... keep us updated on what you're seeing. I'll have to do some more extensive testing of my own on this. Great tips for comparing results!
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    Re: Pigeon Analysis - New Insights about this Crazy Google Local Algo & the Constant

    Quote Originally Posted by Nikki Brown View Post
    Thanks so much for the post Linda! I have been noticing inconsistencies between pack results and classic maps results for a while now but could not figure out the cause. This really helped to shed some light on a very frustrating situation!

    I also noticed that ranking sites, like Bright Local for example, seem to be showing pre-pigeon results. I am finding it hard to trust most search results since they can be so unpredictable right now.
    I believe I read in Blumenthal's blog in his comments that both whitespark and bright local rank trackers are not working right now. Sorry I don't have a link, but I don't remember which post it is, and it was in the middle of the comments...
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    Re: Pigeon Analysis - New Insights about this Crazy Google Local Algo & the Constant

    Wow, great analysis Linda. Great fact finding. I'm very impressed not to mention thankful.

    I had just a few thoughts:

    "2) Why are listings like Fremont Chiropractic always on top in Pigeon, even though they dropped out of the pack in the old algo and STILL DON'T RANK IN PURE ORGANIC AT ALL?

    All of the other listings that rank high in the pack, there is still correlation with the pure organic rankings. But not that one. Does not rank in the 1st pages at AOL at all. So seems like maybe an organic penalty. Does not rank high in pure maps either and is farther north and has no reviews so does not seem to be local factors.
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    When I took a look at the Seattle Chiropractor market, it was heavily spammed, as you've mentioned before Linda. Many of the ones ranking in the local pack that don't rank in the organic, they have a Penguin penalty. That's why it can seem so confusing sometimes.

    Update: Just checked Fremont out of curiosity and yes, they're definitely in a Penguin penalty.

    Add on top of that Map Results don't respond to organic penalties. When a Penguin penalty hits, two things happen:

    1) Links that were flagged that gave a person a ranking advantage no longer count toward your ranking.
    2) Those same flagged links also cause you to be penalized and drop down even further.

    It's important to distinguish these two separate actions even though most people don't. When someone gets a penalty removed or "recovers" they wonder why they're not #1 anymore. They were #1 because of the links that eventually were flagged were giving them a ranking boost and now they are not.

    Google Maps is like this. Google Maps does take the 1st action above into account (ranking drop due to loss of links) but does not take the 2nd action into account (organic algorithmic penalty).

    I can only vouch for that on Penguin although I imagine it's the same with Panda. Also, Panda seems to rarely be site-wide so it would make sense that Panda would act the same way or in an even lesser damaging manner. And I have no clue about how a manual penalty would play into this. I imagine a local business has never triggered that anyway.

    "So for #1 - I would say listings that have no site that rank are ones that have been in existence for a long period of time. I wish MapMaker went back further than 2012 in the history so I could test that."

    You could use archive.org. You would need the old places URL though because the correct Google+ URL's may have only been around since 2012. That might be too much work so maybe the Yellowpages URL or Superpages URL and that could give you a roundabout figure. You'd have to be mindful of if YP or Superpages has ever changed their URL structure and if so, you could still probably replicate it. I chose those 2 because they've been around the longest. Also, I would imagine Superpages would be the least likely to change their website. It seems ancient.

    Hope that helps!
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    Re: Pigeon Analysis - New Insights about this Crazy Google Local Algo & the Constant

    More great additions to this thread.

    Thanks so much Joshua!
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    Re: Pigeon Analysis - New Insights about this Crazy Google Local Algo & the Constant

    Joshua, meant to say too...

    Good to know others are following Seattle Chiro like I do. And I do it specifically because I know there are some aggressive spammy marketers there.

    Thanks for investigating Freemont. I thought it must be some kind of penalty but assumed if they were penalized on the organic side they would not rank in blended either. That's the way it worked pre-Pigeon, but Pigeon let's a lot of listings rank that would not have before.
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    Re: Pigeon Analysis - New Insights about this Crazy Google Local Algo & the Constant

    3 Distinctly Different Pigeon Algos Captured over 2 days

    OK for your viewing pleasure. Just refreshed and got 2 new side-by-side comparisons.

    The ranking order shifted again - in a drunken flux! (Thanks Justin, told you I'd steal that line!)

    Here's 8/26 again - 2 different algos caught at the same time by refreshing browser:

    SeattleChiro8.26differentDCs


    And then here's today - 2 different algos caught at the same time by refreshing browser:


    SeattleChiro8.28differentDCs


    Actually now that I can see them stacked together like that, I guess the shots on the right are pretty similar. Fremont just moved up one, but everything else stayed the same.

    But with the 2 on the left, you can see there has been lots of movement - with some previous players out and new ones in.

    And interestingly Flourish and Kirsty Smith and are the same practice. I think I may have mentioned somewhere, maybe even this post... I know I just explained it in detail in training, so maybe that's where... anyway... She has her G+ L page set up wrong.

    In the past it totally locked her practice out of the pack - but now Pigeon is letting it rank. But then recently sometimes with this rotating algo, the Kirsty listing would knock out the practice. And sometimes they just take turns ranking.

    But today in the lower left screen shot they BOTH rank! That's the 1st time I've seen that in this pack.

    However someone complained today in another post, about the entire pack in Colo Springs being taken up with 7 Drs from the same practice and according to him they are all bogus listings.

    Is anyone besides me getting dizzy yet???

    FYI TO FORCE THE SWITCH - I kept doing a hard refresh and it would not switch over.
    So then I clicked regular refresh a couple times right in my browser bar and it switched.
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