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    Do I have a hidden dupe/merged listing?

    I have had issues for sometime trying to increase local rank for my client and I decided go back and double check there wasn't any dupes. In the process I found this when using the Adwords Express technique Linda posts about using Google Places. Notice the suite number is different. But I can only determine one Places storeid 1130663576797542977.

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    Checking further I noticed mixed results when doing different kids of searches on maps. Notice the logo appears on one and not the other.


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    I also found that I can bring up the Google+ page using two separate CID numbers, 0x2a75f8d41fa5a659 and 3059625111815824985, using http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&cid=. However http://www.google.com/mapmaker?gw=90&cid=0x2a75f8d41fa5a659 produces a no result found.

    If anyone can give me insight into if this is a problem that needs to be fixed or just normal results using different google searching methods. If it is something that needs to be fixed please point me in the correct direction to fix it.

    As always thank you very much for helping out. I really appreciate it.

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    Re: Do I have a hidden dupe/merged listing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Steigerwald View Post
    I also found that I can bring up the Google+ page using two separate CID numbers, 0x2a75f8d41fa5a659 and 3059625111815824985, using http://maps.google.com/maps/place?hl=en&cid=. However http://www.google.com/mapmaker?gw=90&cid=0x2a75f8d41fa5a659 produces a no result found.
    Hi Jamie that 1st # is not a CID. Not sure what it is or where you found it but not CID.

    I don't see evidence of a hidden merged dupe. Not the kind that causes problems. What makes you think there is a hidden merged dupe?

    Do you have the ability to respond to review? If you do, then since I'm not seeing other symptoms, I'm thinking that's not it.

    Was this listing newly verified or re-verified? Does not look like it from what I can see in MM
    Because it's not even showing up on Map search for KW + Street Address + City.
    "Real Estate 14 Hughes Irvine, CA"

    If it was not recently re-verified then looks like ranking penalty because any listing should rank if you search maps for KW + exact address.

    I can see some other issues that could be causing that type of ranking penalty which is all covered in detail in training.
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    Re: Do I have a hidden dupe/merged listing?

    I thought there might be a hidden dupe because of the first screenshot from Adwords Express showing both Google+ and Places with different suite number format.

    Yes, I have the ability to respond to reviews.

    It is not a new listing or recently re-verified.

    Unfortunately I won't be in a position to take the class until after the new year. Any guidance you or anyone else can provide would be greatly appreciated.

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    Re: Do I have a hidden dupe/merged listing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Steigerwald View Post
    I thought there might be a hidden dupe because of the first screenshot from Adwords Express showing both Google+ and Places with different suite number format.

    Yes, I have the ability to respond to reviews.
    Yes Google is reconciling and merging dupes in the background all the time. Many you'll never see and they don't cause a problem - IF they are not claimed. So if Google just scrapes a slightly diff version of address and merges it into main listing it's no problem.

    What I call hidden merged dupes are only a problem because the listing is claimed in another account and I'm not seeing symptoms of that in this case.
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    Re: Do I have a hidden dupe/merged listing?

    Thank you for the explanation. That puts my mind at ease regarding dupes. Now to figure out the other issues that are causing the ranking problems.

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    Re: Do I have a hidden dupe/merged listing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Steigerwald View Post
    Thank you for the explanation. That puts my mind at ease regarding dupes. Now to figure out the other issues that are causing the ranking problems.
    I would start by fixing the address on the Google listing and then do the same at Bing and Yahoo.

    Website:
    14 Hughes, Suite B102


    Google:
    14 Hughes b102

    Bing:
    14 Hughes Ste B102

    Yahoo:
    14 Hughes, Ste B102

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    Re: Do I have a hidden dupe/merged listing?

    Hi Cleaner44... In the dashboard for all 3 I have listed Suite B102. However the systems chose to display something different. My understanding was that when is comes to the Suite the systems changing it to the abbreviation Ste and # are okay. With regards to Google I have tried to get it to display correctly several times and finally called the support line which they told me it was okay as is.

    Please let me know if you have some insight into how to update the abbreviation on those systems to all be the same.

    If anyone else has some insight into what could be causing the ranking penalty all help is appreciated.

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    Re: Do I have a hidden dupe/merged listing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie Steigerwald View Post
    Hi Cleaner44... In the dashboard for all 3 I have listed Suite B102. However the systems chose to display something different. My understanding was that when is comes to the Suite the systems changing it to the abbreviation Ste and # are okay. With regards to Google I have tried to get it to display correctly several times and finally called the support line which they told me it was okay as is.

    Please let me know if you have some insight into how to update the abbreviation on those systems to all be the same.

    If anyone else has some insight into what could be causing the ranking penalty all help is appreciated.
    Do you have the suite number in address line 2 on the Google listing? You may want to test changing it from the Google Places for Business dashboard and also the Google+ page both.

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    Clearly things are working to some extent:
    real estate consultant near Irvine, CA 92618
    6 out of 8,967 results
    http://goo.gl/maps/FgykV

    It is obviously a very competitive category and location:
    real estate agency near Irvine, CA 92618
    ? out of 16,909 results
    http://goo.gl/maps/dfTfB

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    Re: Do I have a hidden dupe/merged listing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cleaner44 View Post
    Do you have the suite number in address line 2 on the Google listing? You may want to test changing it from the Google Places for Business dashboard and also the Google+ page both.
    @C44 - After you are merged you are not supposed to edit in the Places dash.

    Jamie, I wonder if Google dings the listing when the SEO consultant working on the listing also leaves a review for their client? (Didn't notice your review til now.)

    I've seen it happen several times where a consultant comes to me with a ranking drop and one of several things I notice is a self review by the consultant. EVEN sometimes when they were actually a client and it was a totally legit 1st hand review. Google TOTALLY connects the dot on stuff like this. Trust me I know and have experienced it 1st hand.

    But correlation is not causation and that may not be the problem AND in the other cases I've analyzed there were other problems that could have been the real culprit.
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    Re: Do I have a hidden dupe/merged listing?

    Thank you very much Linda for pointing that out. Yes, it was a completely legit review. He helped me with a real estate issue and that is how we meet . I deleted the review so hopefully that helps a bit.

    We have the other thread talking about the issue with Suite number on Google, http://localsearchforum.catalystemar...e-changes.html. Once that gets figured out I will update the format of the Suite number.

    I am always concerned with the description looking spammy because Real Estate is the target keyword of service provided and also in the name so it shows up more then once. The other thing I am going to do is update the description making it text only removing the formatting and link.

    If anyone has any links to best practices on the description or other Google+ best practices I would love to read up on it before making the change.

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