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    LATEST: Confirmed Google Update: Pigeon Makes a Christmas Flight Overseas

    1st a reminder that the forum is going OFFLINE this AM for 24 - 48 hours while we move to our new domain. So if you start a convo here, it may get cut off. May want to make comments on G+ below.

    Is Pigeon Making a Christmas Flight Overseas? Lots of reports coming in about major ranking shifts. Based on what I'm hearing, this sounds like Pigeon just flew over the pond! BUT it's really early, so I'll admit I could be wrong and have not personally investigated.

    In comments below you'll see all the reports of ranking changes AND packs being reduced. Here is the convo on G+.

    Click the link above to read all the comments at the original G+ post. But here is my initial comment and others agreed.

    "Yesterday +Myles Anderson reached out to me and said they were suddenly seeing that new maps and classic were not matching up any more over in Canada, UK & Australia. He wanted to know if I noticed a change but I don't ever check non US listings so had not noticed.

    The 1st thing I asked him, just off of top of my head was "Are you seeing search changes too? Makes me wonder if Pigeon spread it's wings?" Because that's what maps are like in US - they don't match now and classic still uses the old algo.

    Now with what you guys are saying about ranking changes and especially packs reduced, makes me think Pigeon even more.

    You could do a semi test. Take a SERP, see if pack matches new maps, then see if Classic more simulates the pack and ranking order you saw before."


    Steve Morgan replied:

    "+Linda Buquet - You are on the money! I've just checked my 3 affected clients and I'm seeing them in their 'old' positions if I revert to Classic Maps. So you're saying that this is evidence of Pigeon being rolled out internationally?"

    So there you have it! I'm calling this a Pigeon update.

    What about Canada, Colan and Joy? Myles says he's seeing similar changes over there.
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    re: LATEST: Confirmed Google Update: Pigeon Makes a Christmas Flight Overseas

    Joy and I are starting to see some ranking changes as well...
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    re: LATEST: Confirmed Google Update: Pigeon Makes a Christmas Flight Overseas

    Do they smell like Pigeon?

    Did you do the maps test I mentioned in that long G+ thread?
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    re: LATEST: Confirmed Google Update: Pigeon Makes a Christmas Flight Overseas

    Reminder forum will be going down some time in the next couple hours. (I'm SCARED!)

    So please continue convo on G+ when it does.
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    re: LATEST: Confirmed Google Update: Pigeon Makes a Christmas Flight Overseas

    I'm not seeing exactly the same results but I am seeing different results in Canadian SERPS. Admittedly, I visit the Canadian SERPS very rarely but the one company I do watch has shifted dramatically. It's not the same as the US Pigeon results but nonetheless, it is a shift.

    I checked my other local businesses in CA and they are actually behaving like Pigeon. One of my companies ranks outside of its location on Google.com (not possible pre-Pigeon) and is now doing the same on Google.ca.

    However, the web search results for Google.ca are the pre-Pigeon SERPS. Has Google.ca seen the latest Penguin update?
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    re: LATEST: Confirmed Google Update: Pigeon Makes a Christmas Flight Overseas

    I noticed some changes north of the border. In the last 5 days I've observed a lot of changes in the SERPS. For many terms, the SERPS would have 1 or 3 organic websites then a 7 pack. Now it's just a 7 pack.

    A couple of clients got booted out of the packs. In one case, they shrunk the radius of the pack to include 4 competitors within a 3 KM radius of eachother. My client is located about 4 KM's away from them. Not sure why my other client got booted out. He ranks within the top two for searches within Google Local.
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    re: LATEST: Confirmed Google Update: Pigeon Makes a Christmas Flight Overseas

    Barry at Search Engine Land said he got confirmation from Google that the update did indeed spread overseas.

    Google Pigeon Update Rolls Out To UK, Canada & Australia

    Google has confirmed that their local Pigeon update, which rolled out in the U.S. on July 24, 2014 has now expanded over last week to the United Kingdom, Canada and Australia.

    After questioning Google about rumors of this change, a Google spokesperson told us, I can confirm that this update has rolled out to the UK, Canada and Australia.
    My comment over there:

    "When Myles told me Thursday he was seeing major inconsistencies between the old and new Google maps I immediately told him "That smells like Pigeon". Because that's exactly what Pigeon does in the US.

    I did some checking with others and started seeing enough reports that I went ahead and called it as a update Friday. Since then have seen lots of reports at the Local Search and the Local Search Pros communities on Google+.

    Thanks for confirming with Google that it's official Barry. At least they waited to roll it out after it stabilized a little. But not sure right before the Holidays was a good time to make a drastic change like this."


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    Re: LATEST: Confirmed Google Update: Pigeon Makes a Christmas Flight Overseas

    Mike just posted with a really good example of a classically bad Pigeon result across the pond:

    Pigeon Rolls Out in UK, Australia and Canada | Understanding Google My Business & Local Search
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    Re: LATEST: Confirmed Google Update: Pigeon Makes a Christmas Flight Overseas

    Well clearly Santa heard me wrong. This is NOT what I asked for Christmas.
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    Re: LATEST: Confirmed Google Update: Pigeon Makes a Christmas Flight Overseas

    We're seeing United Kingdom results on Google.ca for London, Ontario phrases (specifically real estate)... On mobile it doesn't even say London, United Kingdom, it just says # + Street Name + London, and then a Call button which doesn't show the area code or phone number.... I think there will be alot of accidental calls across the pond until this is fixed up!

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