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    Exclamation Advanced Tip for Google Local Troubleshooting & Duplicate Discovery

    I have a new best friend for researching local listing problems - especially for duplicate discovery, finding bogus spam listings and discovering old "closed" listings that may impact ranking. (We'll be talking about that last part in a new thread later this morning)

    Let me introduce you to my new friend and below is a time saving tip for getting along with her...



    Now you likely know about the G+ Local search engine, but like me you maybe don't use it much. For a long time it was showing a different ranking order than search so was useless in that respect. But now results line up. Plus I used to hate it because it had 2 separate fields. One for the query and one for city state, so was too was too much cutting and pasting for me when I'm flying around checking multiple listings all the time to have to make a 2nd pass back to the listings to copy/paste the city state.

    THE DUPE DISCOVERY PROBLEM - In most cases if you do your initial dupe discovery pass using phone #
    --- New maps, usually only returns one listing.
    --- So then you try Classic maps, but since Pigeon Classic often hides dupes too.
    Sometimes only a 2 out of 10 dupes will show.

    So then I would try Map Maker, which almost always shows all the dupes, but 2 problems:
    1) You can't click over to the live G+ L pages to check each one out.
    2) If it's an SAB with hidden address then listings won't show on MM at all.

    Well I found a little trick that makes it so easy, I now use G+ L search for dupe discovery all the time and it's better than anything else in multiple ways.

    G+ Local search defaults to the city you are in. So if you want to search via phone in another city (like you normally would for checking for dupes on a client listing), you have to make 2 passes. One to copy/paste the phone # and a second one to copy/paste the city/state. If you are flying around troubleshooting tons of listings all day and have carpal pain like I do, it's just extra steps which take extra time.

    So what I do now is set location to United States and save to my bookmarks toolbar, so it's always right there when I need it. (See image above and link below.)

    Save this link to your Bookmarks toolbar: Google+ (Local) Search
    (Has United States saved as location for quick checks)

    In most cases for dupe discovery searching phone# + United States works just fine. But if doing deeper research you may want to plug in city and just double check. (If I was working on a client I would. But most of the time I'm just helping folks in forums and doing a quick scan with United States almost always finds all the dupes.)

    Below are a couple examples that illustrate:

    dividermulti

    Here is the phone # we'll use as an example we'll use from this case I worked on:

    (401) 737-3700


    New Google Maps
    only shows 1 listing

    Plug that phone # into Classic Maps and it only shows 10 listings (It won't let me link to the direct results)

    Map Maker shows 15 listings

    Google+ Local Search also shows all 15 listings.

    But again with G+ Local search you can click through to each one if you need to see other info, like whether the listing is claimed, whereas with MM you can't. Since these don't show up in maps with a phone search, you'd have to copy the name and address of each listing into maps which would be a royal pain with 15 listings.

    IMPORTANT SIDE NOTE: That case above also has a "closed" listing. You would not have found in with a maps search because only the main listing showed up with new maps. It's important to find out if there are closed listings, because Joy and I have seen many cases where a closed listing with the same phone # seems to suppress ranking on the main listing.

    We have a big post coming out about that later this AM.
    And here's a post where I started discussing the issue.

    dividermulti

    Hidden address SABs don't show up at all on Map Maker, so you can't use MM for duplicate discovery.

    So here's another example using (828) 274-4858


    Plug (828) 274-4858 into Classic Maps - it only shows the main listing.

    Use Google+ Local Search and it shows 2 listings including an old listing with a different name and different phone#.

    dividermulti

    Joy also did some side-by-side comparisons regarding different ways to search for dupes, back in August when we 1st noticed Pigeon was hiding dupes in Classic maps.

    Best Ways to Find Duplicate Google Places/Plus Listings (Post Pigeon)

    So happy dupe hunting! Hope these tips help you find them all and saves you a couple steps.

    What do you think???

    P. S. Here's that new post about how old "closed" listings that may impact ranking.
    It's an eye opener!
    Can "Closed" Google Local Listings Kill Ranking? Important New Troubleshooting Tip

    Linda Buquet .:. Forum Founder, Google Local Specialist

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    Re: Advanced Tip for Google Local Troubleshooting & Duplicate Discovery

    Nice Linda... Thanks for sharing...

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    Re: Advanced Tip for Google Local Troubleshooting & Duplicate Discovery

    Here's another good example.

    Plug (843) 871-0711 into Classic maps. Only the main practice listing shows.

    Plug that # into G+ Local Search and a Dr listing AND a "closed" listing shows up.

    ALSO: Here's that new post about how old "closed" listings that may impact ranking.
    It's an eye opener!

    Can "Closed" Google Local Listings Kill Ranking? Important New Troubleshooting Tip
    Linda Buquet .:. Forum Founder, Google Local Specialist

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    Re: Advanced Tip for Google Local Troubleshooting & Duplicate Discovery

    Here's an interesting little oopsie.

    Taking Linda's excellent suggestion one step further, I tried it with three different formats for a client's phone number and got TWO different results!

    1. 7607448200 - produces ONE listing
    2. 760-744-8200 and (760) 744-8200 - produces THREE listings


    I did not expect that. Should I have expected it?

    Thanks!

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    Re: Advanced Tip for Google Local Troubleshooting & Duplicate Discovery

    Yes always use standard phone format when searching, like this: (760) 744-8200

    That's the only reliable format from my experiences. Although dashes work better than they used to. Maps used to either choke or get confused by dash phone #s. But I still always use standard format to be on the safe side.
    Linda Buquet .:. Forum Founder, Google Local Specialist

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    Re: Advanced Tip for Google Local Troubleshooting & Duplicate Discovery

    This is great - I've used that search with business names before to hunt, but never phone number
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    Re: Advanced Tip for Google Local Troubleshooting & Duplicate Discovery

    Well then the next step after phone # search is...

    KW + street address + city

    I just had a really complicated atty case come to me. He said he'd been working with a well known agency and was still disconnected. He'd had lots of citation building and clean up and was still not ranking and wanted me to figure out why.

    Phone search with G+ L showed only his main listing.

    Searched "Attorney 123 Main Street Dallas" and it showed 5 listings - all problems!

    (Fake address for example sake)

    1) His new current listing with new name.

    2) Old listing previous name, still active and claimed (so violation since it's 2 practice listings for the same business at same address)

    3) Closed practitioner listing w old practice name

    4) Closed practitioner listing w old practice name

    5) Closed listing with a different version of the old name that was live as #2 above.

    BUT many of the reviews in listing #1 are for the name in the closed listing #5. So the plot thickens. I think the name of #1 used to be the name in #5. They changed the old name in listing #1 to the new name and #5 which was a mature listing for many years got marked closed.

    Every one of those listings had a different phone # for some reason.
    So that's why need to search for name and city PLUS KW and address to try to flush them all out!


    Isn't local search troubleshooting fun boys and girls???
    Linda Buquet .:. Forum Founder, Google Local Specialist

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    Re: Advanced Tip for Google Local Troubleshooting & Duplicate Discovery

    Linda and Joy...
    WOW!

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    Re: Advanced Tip for Google Local Troubleshooting & Duplicate Discovery

    Tried this for a dermatologist who has gone through a number of doctors in the practice in the past few years. Found a name associated with the practice that I didn't even recognize. Wow!! Thanks for the help, Linda. Will be using this a bunch

    Theresa 8-)

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    Re: Advanced Tip for Google Local Troubleshooting & Duplicate Discovery

    Great tip Linda!

    Just trying it out in Australia and I noticed that sometimes I need to remove the area code before the listings come up - which is weird.

    Even more weirdly, to search using a mobile phone number (which is very common for the SME area that I work in) you need to remove the spaces so instead of using 0409 548 984 you need to plug in 0409548984 to get (my) listing.

    But that's just the fun of troubleshooting really!

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